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Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by pukipuki » Oct 10th, 2015, 6:37 am

Xranf wrote:Pukipuki I told you about the tapes because i didnt know if you listen to them. But again im agree with you.


My theory is that Ras was going to be so important (if you see, the assassins are in the arkham knight army) but at the last moment he was cut because of the dlcs wave in coming.


Im still thinking ras is not only the guy who put the money but the one who resurrected him or at least trained him...


The only thing that can fix arkham knight is the season of infamy, i hope RS do well in that dlc.

Cheers friend!


Yeah, I also think they cut a lot of their content. I couldn't believe they would waste the material they set up from arkham city. HQ and Ra's had too much potential. But arkham knight seemed to have deviated from the lore that was created throughout the whole arkham series. Seemed like a whole new story.

And, I cant really be excited for a downloadable content I wont be able to play. I am a PC player. Plus, downloadable contents shouldn't fix story issues. They are not supposed to be better than the game. They are supposed to be small expansions. But apparently "A matter of family" has the best boss fight in the game. I didn't see it (hoping rs will give pc players some compensation for the shitty port) so I cant say, but that's disappointing.

Anyhow, nice to have someone who agrees with my points.

Cheers!

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by smilex » Oct 8th, 2015, 4:04 pm

The thugs in the game say that Lex helped fund the army. That was good enough for me.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by Xranf » Oct 8th, 2015, 2:33 pm

Pukipuki I told you about the tapes because i didnt know if you listen to them. But again im agree with you.


My theory is that Ras was going to be so important (if you see, the assassins are in the arkham knight army) but at the last moment he was cut because of the dlcs wave in coming.


Im still thinking ras is not only the guy who put the money but the one who resurrected him or at least trained him...


The only thing that can fix arkham knight is the season of infamy, i hope RS do well in that dlc.

Cheers friend!

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by pukipuki » Oct 8th, 2015, 11:11 am

Xranf wrote:
pukipuki wrote:Top 11 thing wrong (in my book)

1.Unmanned tanks: The arkham knight just wants batman dead. Then why have unmanned tanks even though he clearly knows his one rule. The tactical "genius" didn't use the bats greatest weakness against him.

2.Lack of characters: I'm gonna list the names; batman, gordon, oracle, joker, scarecrow, arkham knight, Ivy, henry adams, alfred (none other matter in the main story)

3. The joker confusion: I still don't get what it was. Was it the fact that bats had his blood inside him or was it a hallucination caused by scare gas. I know someone can correct me, but the game is supposed go do that by itself.

4. Alfred: The guy almost didn't even flinch hearing about Oracles death. He just says "oh well, cant save everyone can you? go save gotham".

5. Catwoman: Or the lack of her. She was such an important character in city, reduced to being a housecat.

6.Harley quinn: Why was she even here?

7.Boss fights: Nothing but tank fights. Was feeling like playing world of tanks.

8.The arkham knights army: Still couldn't figure out how he managed to build an army having no resources at all. People can say its cleared up on the comics, but a game shouldn't have comics to make us understand the main plot related storytelling.

9. The reveal: Was so obvious. And "ORIGINAL CHARACTER" my bottom. The hood was the first guess everyone had looking at the design. They might just have called it "under the red hood"

10.The forced love interest: We did not see them together in a room and I'm supposed to believe they're in love? Bull excrement.

11.Scarecrow wins?: So..... Batman is destroyed. Mission accomplished? I know he seems to be back even scarier but in reality, he lost, didn't he? He basically had to kill himself to become something else. So scarecrow was successful? I hate the endings where the hero loses. Makes my whole adventure pointless.

I did enjoy the game but it was the worst of the series for me........ Shame it ended this way.



1. You are right

2. Again you're right, the main story in city is miles away better than this one. Besides, obviously it has been cut no matter what sefton says.

3. About joker, i think the story is pretty clear. Joker was alive, because in his blood was his consciousness (thing that explain you at the end, even in the official novel) and he was looking for his alpha (he was deciding about henry or bats, again in the novel it is better explained). About he confusion for the hallucination stuff when he appears he is/isnt an hallucination, his blood (the sickness) was joker himself but the image batman see is the mix of the blood (consciousness) and the toxin just give body to that consciousness. Even joker tells you he is not an hallucination.
Sefton just made a return of the joker but arkhamized.

* to get that event about joker telling that you just have to go to panessa studios after the first time oracle is taken (after beating ace chemicals and the struggle you have with gordon because of her).

4. I dont know how to tell it in English but the whole story feels so forced, so fake. I even can feel sorry or any feeling for anyone in that story.

5. Again you are right, and again I tell you city is miles away better (batman) game than this arkham knight.

6. When you beat the HQR you thought she would have a great role but the reality? She is just garbage reduced to a tiny screentime in a tiny little part of the story.

7. You came from city (ras, clayface, solomon, mister freeze) and origins (deathstroke, bane, firefly, etc) and you see arkham knight and... Nowadays i cant believe it, but im still thinking (or believing) season of infamy will fix that part.

8. Well... In the tapes you can listen to aekham knight talking about creating an army... And scarecrow giving him the sources (money) to do that.

9. All the game was a lie, sefton just lied. Lying about joker (he just lost his body), arkham knight (a completely brand new character built from the ground up), the challengue maps (they would be bigger and better).

10. Right.

11. Of course, scarecrow won (while joker totally lost, dead and gone). The main aim of him was taking off his mask and show the people he is just an ordinary human with fears to break the symbol. Of course you can say both win and lost at the same time, bats and scarecrow.


I do agree with you on the Joker point.... But I don't see how scarecrow can earn BILLIONS of dollars.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by J-Man » Oct 8th, 2015, 1:50 am

Xranf wrote:
pukipuki wrote:Top 11 thing wrong (in my book)

1.Unmanned tanks: The arkham knight just wants batman dead. Then why have unmanned tanks even though he clearly knows his one rule. The tactical "genius" didn't use the bats greatest weakness against him.

2.Lack of characters: I'm gonna list the names; batman, gordon, oracle, joker, scarecrow, arkham knight, Ivy, henry adams, alfred (none other matter in the main story)

3. The joker confusion: I still don't get what it was. Was it the fact that bats had his blood inside him or was it a hallucination caused by scare gas. I know someone can correct me, but the game is supposed go do that by itself.

4. Alfred: The guy almost didn't even flinch hearing about Oracles death. He just says "oh well, cant save everyone can you? go save gotham".

5. Catwoman: Or the lack of her. She was such an important character in city, reduced to being a housecat.

6.Harley quinn: Why was she even here?

7.Boss fights: Nothing but tank fights. Was feeling like playing world of tanks.

8.The arkham knights army: Still couldn't figure out how he managed to build an army having no resources at all. People can say its cleared up on the comics, but a game shouldn't have comics to make us understand the main plot related storytelling.

9. The reveal: Was so obvious. And "ORIGINAL CHARACTER" my bottom. The hood was the first guess everyone had looking at the design. They might just have called it "under the red hood"

10.The forced love interest: We did not see them together in a room and I'm supposed to believe they're in love? Bull excrement.

11.Scarecrow wins?: So..... Batman is destroyed. Mission accomplished? I know he seems to be back even scarier but in reality, he lost, didn't he? He basically had to kill himself to become something else. So scarecrow was successful? I hate the endings where the hero loses. Makes my whole adventure pointless.

I did enjoy the game but it was the worst of the series for me........ Shame it ended this way.



1. You are right

2. Again you're right, the main story in city is miles away better than this one. Besides, obviously it has been cut no matter what sefton says.

3. About joker, i think the story is pretty clear. Joker was alive, because in his blood was his consciousness (thing that explain you at the end, even in the official novel) and he was looking for his alpha (he was deciding about henry or bats, again in the novel it is better explained). About he confusion for the hallucination stuff when he appears he is/isnt an hallucination, his blood (the sickness) was joker himself but the image batman see is the mix of the blood (consciousness) and the toxin just give body to that consciousness. Even joker tells you he is not an hallucination.
Sefton just made a return of the joker but arkhamized.

* to get that event about joker telling that you just have to go to panessa studios after the first time oracle is taken (after beating ace chemicals and the struggle you have with gordon because of her).

4. I dont know how to tell it in English but the whole story feels so forced, so fake. I even can feel sorry or any feeling for anyone in that story.

5. Again you are right, and again I tell you city is miles away better (batman) game than this arkham knight.

6. When you beat the HQR you thought she would have a great role but the reality? She is just garbage reduced to a tiny screentime in a tiny little part of the story.

7. You came from city (ras, clayface, solomon, mister freeze) and origins (deathstroke, bane, firefly, etc) and you see arkham knight and... Nowadays i cant believe it, but im still thinking (or believing) season of infamy will fix that part.

8. Well... In the tapes you can listen to aekham knight talking about creating an army... And scarecrow giving him the sources (money) to do that.

9. All the game was a lie, sefton just lied. Lying about joker (he just lost his body), arkham knight (a completely brand new character built from the ground up), the challengue maps (they would be bigger and better).

10. Right.

11. Of course, scarecrow won (while joker totally lost, dead and gone). The main aim of him was taking off his mask and show the people he is just an ordinary human with fears to break the symbol. Of course you can say both win and lost at the same time, bats and scarecrow.


To be honest, if we could choose all characters, these would be my favorite challenge maps. I like the objective variety.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by Xranf » Oct 8th, 2015, 12:04 am

pukipuki wrote:Top 11 thing wrong (in my book)

1.Unmanned tanks: The arkham knight just wants batman dead. Then why have unmanned tanks even though he clearly knows his one rule. The tactical "genius" didn't use the bats greatest weakness against him.

2.Lack of characters: I'm gonna list the names; batman, gordon, oracle, joker, scarecrow, arkham knight, Ivy, henry adams, alfred (none other matter in the main story)

3. The joker confusion: I still don't get what it was. Was it the fact that bats had his blood inside him or was it a hallucination caused by scare gas. I know someone can correct me, but the game is supposed go do that by itself.

4. Alfred: The guy almost didn't even flinch hearing about Oracles death. He just says "oh well, cant save everyone can you? go save gotham".

5. Catwoman: Or the lack of her. She was such an important character in city, reduced to being a housecat.

6.Harley quinn: Why was she even here?

7.Boss fights: Nothing but tank fights. Was feeling like playing world of tanks.

8.The arkham knights army: Still couldn't figure out how he managed to build an army having no resources at all. People can say its cleared up on the comics, but a game shouldn't have comics to make us understand the main plot related storytelling.

9. The reveal: Was so obvious. And "ORIGINAL CHARACTER" my bottom. The hood was the first guess everyone had looking at the design. They might just have called it "under the red hood"

10.The forced love interest: We did not see them together in a room and I'm supposed to believe they're in love? Bull excrement.

11.Scarecrow wins?: So..... Batman is destroyed. Mission accomplished? I know he seems to be back even scarier but in reality, he lost, didn't he? He basically had to kill himself to become something else. So scarecrow was successful? I hate the endings where the hero loses. Makes my whole adventure pointless.

I did enjoy the game but it was the worst of the series for me........ Shame it ended this way.



1. You are right

2. Again you're right, the main story in city is miles away better than this one. Besides, obviously it has been cut no matter what sefton says.

3. About joker, i think the story is pretty clear. Joker was alive, because in his blood was his consciousness (thing that explain you at the end, even in the official novel) and he was looking for his alpha (he was deciding about henry or bats, again in the novel it is better explained). About he confusion for the hallucination stuff when he appears he is/isnt an hallucination, his blood (the sickness) was joker himself but the image batman see is the mix of the blood (consciousness) and the toxin just give body to that consciousness. Even joker tells you he is not an hallucination.
Sefton just made a return of the joker but arkhamized.

* to get that event about joker telling that you just have to go to panessa studios after the first time oracle is taken (after beating ace chemicals and the struggle you have with gordon because of her).

4. I dont know how to tell it in English but the whole story feels so forced, so fake. I even can feel sorry or any feeling for anyone in that story.

5. Again you are right, and again I tell you city is miles away better (batman) game than this arkham knight.

6. When you beat the HQR you thought she would have a great role but the reality? She is just garbage reduced to a tiny screentime in a tiny little part of the story.

7. You came from city (ras, clayface, solomon, mister freeze) and origins (deathstroke, bane, firefly, etc) and you see arkham knight and... Nowadays i cant believe it, but im still thinking (or believing) season of infamy will fix that part.

8. Well... In the tapes you can listen to aekham knight talking about creating an army... And scarecrow giving him the sources (money) to do that.

9. All the game was a lie, sefton just lied. Lying about joker (he just lost his body), arkham knight (a completely brand new character built from the ground up), the challengue maps (they would be bigger and better).

10. Right.

11. Of course, scarecrow won (while joker totally lost, dead and gone). The main aim of him was taking off his mask and show the people he is just an ordinary human with fears to break the symbol. Of course you can say both win and lost at the same time, bats and scarecrow.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by JordanT4021 » Oct 7th, 2015, 8:57 pm

pukipuki wrote:Top 11 thing wrong (in my book)

1.Unmanned tanks: The arkham knight just wants batman dead. Then why have unmanned tanks even though he clearly knows his one rule. The tactical "genius" didn't use the bats greatest weakness against him.

2.Lack of characters: I'm gonna list the names; batman, gordon, oracle, joker, scarecrow, arkham knight, Ivy, henry adams, alfred (none other matter in the main story)

3. The joker confusion: I still don't get what it was. Was it the fact that bats had his blood inside him or was it a hallucination caused by scare gas. I know someone can correct me, but the game is supposed go do that by itself.

4. Alfred: The guy almost didn't even flinch hearing about Oracles death. He just says "oh well, cant save everyone can you? go save gotham".

5. Catwoman: Or the lack of her. She was such an important character in city, reduced to being a housecat.

6.Harley quinn: Why was she even here?

7.Boss fights: Nothing but tank fights. Was feeling like playing world of tanks.

8.The arkham knights army: Still couldn't figure out how he managed to build an army having no resources at all. People can say its cleared up on the comics, but a game shouldn't have comics to make us understand the main plot related storytelling.

9. The reveal: Was so obvious. And "ORIGINAL CHARACTER" my bottom. The hood was the first guess everyone had looking at the design. They might just have called it "under the red hood"

10.The forced love interest: We did not see them together in a room and I'm supposed to believe they're in love? Bull excrement.

11.Scarecrow wins?: So..... Batman is destroyed. Mission accomplished? I know he seems to be back even scarier but in reality, he lost, didn't he? He basically had to kill himself to become something else. So scarecrow was successful? I hate the endings where the hero loses. Makes my whole adventure pointless.

I did enjoy the game but it was the worst of the series for me........ Shame it ended this way.

This is very accurate.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by pukipuki » Oct 7th, 2015, 7:58 pm

Top 11 thing wrong (in my book)

1.Unmanned tanks: The arkham knight just wants batman dead. Then why have unmanned tanks even though he clearly knows his one rule. The tactical "genius" didn't use the bats greatest weakness against him.

2.Lack of characters: I'm gonna list the names; batman, gordon, oracle, joker, scarecrow, arkham knight, Ivy, henry adams, alfred (none other matter in the main story)

3. The joker confusion: I still don't get what it was. Was it the fact that bats had his blood inside him or was it a hallucination caused by scare gas. I know someone can correct me, but the game is supposed go do that by itself.

4. Alfred: The guy almost didn't even flinch hearing about Oracles death. He just says "oh well, cant save everyone can you? go save gotham".

5. Catwoman: Or the lack of her. She was such an important character in city, reduced to being a housecat.

6.Harley quinn: Why was she even here?

7.Boss fights: Nothing but tank fights. Was feeling like playing world of tanks.

8.The arkham knights army: Still couldn't figure out how he managed to build an army having no resources at all. People can say its cleared up on the comics, but a game shouldn't have comics to make us understand the main plot related storytelling.

9. The reveal: Was so obvious. And "ORIGINAL CHARACTER" my bottom. The hood was the first guess everyone had looking at the design. They might just have called it "under the red hood"

10.The forced love interest: We did not see them together in a room and I'm supposed to believe they're in love? Bull excrement.

11.Scarecrow wins?: So..... Batman is destroyed. Mission accomplished? I know he seems to be back even scarier but in reality, he lost, didn't he? He basically had to kill himself to become something else. So scarecrow was successful? I hate the endings where the hero loses. Makes my whole adventure pointless.

I did enjoy the game but it was the worst of the series for me........ Shame it ended this way.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by dk09w1ngz » Oct 7th, 2015, 7:03 am

I've made a thread about this, but the biggest problem is the RPG troops going to waste. Other than that, the jammers also went to waste in the main story. Lack of boss fights, ofc, other than "Predator therapy", which was a lot of fun. Story was kinda wonky though feels more structured than City.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by Red leader » Oct 6th, 2015, 10:10 pm

I have been thinking of city a lot recently and i realized that one of my biggest issues there arkham knight has the opposite of. City felt like it had to many stories and kept flip flopping between them as if it was a kid who ate too much sugar. Knight has nothing to its story but the main plot. I dont like how city manages getting to penguin but i like that it tired to not have everything be about the main plot. Knight is just going after scarecrow and fighting only AK thugs and no one else at all. I really really hope that if WBGM makes another game its set right before asylum so we can have it take place in old gotham with the amusement mile but without the water. I want to see that world and that batman universes atmosphere. AK is the bare bones of the batman universe in terms of the main plot while city feel like its really gotham city. I love AKs gotham as a world but the people of it felt like they where barley involved. City is a batman story through and through. It takes risks and kills joker off but it still feels like its batman vs his villains not an army. How is it that the game that killed joker was even less of a big plot and was less important feeling then AK. I wish they would have the guts to make a game or ongoing set after city but that is as if knight never occurred. Though a new batman universe for the games seems even better.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by crush8503 » Oct 1st, 2015, 10:13 pm

Driving up walls

I'll start off by saying that I actually do enjoy the Batmobile gameplay but this is where I draw the line. Driving up walls is way more difficult then it needs to be. I can't tell you how many times I drove up a wall, only to lose control and fall to my death or land on my back like some insect that can't flip itself over. This is the furthest thing from being Batman.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by JordanT4021 » Sep 17th, 2015, 11:32 pm

Dick wrote:Sefton: what shall we write about
Ian & Martin: let's just fuk everything up
Sefton: I got you fam

YES!
I can totally imagine them all sitting down and Sefton saying: "look, Paul Dini isn't coming back for this last one, but we co-wrote the other two. How hard can it be?"
6 months later, fires everywhere, employees rocking in corners, paper flying everywhere, and Sefton screaming to himself "THE ARKHAM KNIGHT IS AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER!!!"
Image
Kind of like this but much worse.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by Dick » Sep 17th, 2015, 11:07 pm

Sefton: what shall we write about
Ian & Martin: let's just fuk everything up
Sefton: I got you fam

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by legion » Sep 17th, 2015, 11:01 pm

JordanT4021 wrote:I think that's one of the major plot holes in AK. We all know how poor this "team-up" was but if it was done properly, I'd imagine that Penguin and Twoface's gangs would have had some sort of cure from the gas. Ivy only ever thinks about her plants so if she teamed up with Scarecrow, she'd want to make sure her plants would be safe and so could help adapt the cloudburst so that it wouldn't affect plant life. I imagine something would have been done about it as Scarecrow really wanted to recruit Ivy and he knows she would never sign on if nature was at risk.

True.

Re: Top 11 Things Wrong With AK

Post by JordanT4021 » Sep 17th, 2015, 10:54 pm

I think that's one of the major plot holes in AK. We all know how poor this "team-up" was but if it was done properly, I'd imagine that Penguin and Twoface's gangs would have had some sort of cure from the gas. Ivy only ever thinks about her plants so if she teamed up with Scarecrow, she'd want to make sure her plants would be safe and so could help adapt the cloudburst so that it wouldn't affect plant life. I imagine something would have been done about it as Scarecrow really wanted to recruit Ivy and he knows she would never sign on if nature was at risk.

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